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Can we have a little more options in the vote please?

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No I don't want to allow this abuse if the owner off the game says it is abuse.
I did not say the mods should decide, I said the admin and the admin now is the owner off the game. That is for now while we wait for him to do something about it.
All we can do for now is play nice like the owner said and see what the owner decides and has when he has time.

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Is it ok if you want to trade, send runes to a player offline, scout for runes and get the other kind off runes when he comes back online? We can do that over and over again.
The point is if they did it to abuse the game why schould they be punished when others will do it accidently by just playing?
If the scoutcosts are being abused, why not change that?
This has been the problem with all the abuse all the time.
Can we let our market overflow or is that abuse too?
Do we now have to upgrade them to avoid abuse, where without the bug we would just loose resources?
I believe it is not fair to punish these players for getting the same advantage like other players because the game is not developped wel.

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Since the mods are the owners/developers representatives and act on his behalf taking orders from him i understand you are saying that untill all options are hard coded you want the mods to check on players and make sure they play by the rules that are set by the developer?

It's because of the lack of time that he needs moderators in the first place.
And since it's a huge job we actually need at least 2 moderators, active and aware of possible ways to cheat, bend the rules and abuse game mechanics.

Thnk you for your input!

OK, I was asked to have a look at this thread so here I am...

First of all...cheating is NOT good and cheaters must be dealt with. This I agree on 110%. I am sure we all do.

Second...NO ONE said we did not need moderators. Demo, YOU were the one who flipped out and threw a fit (this has since been erased by you as evidenced by the deleted posts) and said we were gonna go back to "old school" moderating. This was not the issue, the issue in question was whether the 2 villages were reset for proper reason. It was our understanding they were helping each other after battles, and that some runes were traded for resources...Frodo is in the clan in question and basically confirmed it.

HOWEVER, Hellikin had a lookie. I think most of us trust Hellikin 100% and his judgement. His opinion was good enough for alot of us. That should have been the end of it.

Third...when I was a moderator...we did ask the developers clear, concise rules on what was ok and what was not okay. You can confirm with Helli, Doom, Whamra, Hidalgo....any one of us. LOOK at the old moderator forums. LOOK, READ and STUDY them. We asked MANY times. To be honest, we got very little answers. The one thing I recall that was absolutely concrete was that is was NOT ok to move your village...attack another village relentlessly...then move your village back to its original location. This was in stable 1. The formal ok to reset the offending village was obtained, and it was immediately corrected in the coding of the game.

Everything else was muddy.

It was NOT *our* game. We did not create, correct or code it. The people who did need to be accountable for what was an "intended feature" or an abuse. Like I said, READ and you will see what answers we were given at the time.

So in effect, I can see wolfie's and other's points here. We are talking YEARS now with the same problems, and hardly anything has been corrected.

Moderators were very limited in what they could do.

So, no. I think the players of the game actually want to hear from the MAKERS of the game what the rules actually are. Makes perfect sense to me.

So getting back, I do not think the issue is no one wants mods or rules or an absolute free for all for a war game.

They want a clear set of rules. Coded preferably. With moderators who are FAIR and NON CORRUPT.

I have never said lets not hard code anything at all.

I did read the discussions, again.
Taz everybody has his own way off playing, playing sim city is not against the rules.
I personaly had alot off gold coming in, which would overflow when I was not attacking and would be gone when I did attack or got attacked, I only scout in the beginning when I have an army I get runes only from attacking or the premiumshop.
Not every peron plays fair, we are humans, even a person who is in jail for killing a person can get on the internet (not saying anyone is, or because they are they will automaticly break rules, just pointing out humans are not good by nature).
It has been imposible to play fair on this game because off all the problems. This is only one example.
Other example: on stable 1 the 25% sending rule was put in to prevent pussing bigger players. Players started laddering up runes and res = bugabuse. I have done that in every clan I have been in. Not one warning. I have also been giving runes and res to a player in that range and he or she did the same with the next and did that over and over again. Runes and res still being pushed, but in a fair way. There is no way to see the difference for the mods, only frustration and discussion when it happens over and over and over and over and over and over again.

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Demonic you can not. You can see the logs, you can not see why players do what's in the logs, you can only assume.
On stable II everybody has been abusing bugs one way or the other. Just because 2 players got reset doesn't main everybody plays fair. You are not smarter then all cheaters, you got 2 stupid ones (sorry guys, there are better ways to cheat).
I do want to play by the rules, I have no idea what the rules are. Asking you is not the solution, we have pointed out before how that doesn't work. Not understanding the rules leads to players hating each other and hating the mods.
If you see in the logs what we do, why not tell us clearly what we can't have in our logs.

btw Little questions: you say rules are their and are being enforced by mods. Before you say: Some open info, since the riot last week where a couple of players started to rant against the new rules (and did a bit of mod bashing) the mods don't really enforce the rules anymore.

Seriously how do you want us to understand what the hell is going on? Can you finaly see what the problem is here?

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Asking whether the mods are enforcing the rules right now is about rules and gameplay it points out that you aren't clear about rules and your way doesn't work. Also stable 2 is running right now, what are the rules right now?

So now all I have to do is tell you I lost troops when supporting another players to abuse the system? Can you check if I did or not?

You talk about sending out 50 runes, I don't see 50 runes in the first (example 2) post yet you call it abuse. When smaller players do it with less runes, it is ok?

Just because you can't think off a legit reason doesn't mean there is none.

I am not playing ogame.nl. I am playing dolumar. I wonder if ogame has so many bugs and issues?
Again unclear rules lead to players hating each other, pointing fingers, getting attack or attacking because they think the other cheated. If you don't believe me, ask DrV and Yan.
We don't have 1000 players, we did onces, alot off them left because unclear rules, mods going out off line and hating mods because they can't trusth them. We are left with only a few and most have been playing with each other for a long time now. Even the mods can't help but think players are bashing on them because what happend before.

BTW if you are so good to see most abuse, why ask me in private what the other ways off cheating are? You don't know all? And completly off topic. I asked you 1000 to leave me alone, I don't trusth you, you call me a liar.

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I do see sending over 50 runes is fishy, doesn't mean it is cheating. Doesn't mean you'll see it when it's small numbers and they change the way of abuse, or when lots off people work togheter and change players every time. It is obious now because it where 2 players sending to each other.
What are you going to do when: Player A trades with player B, player B trades with player C. Player C and player A are on the same IP. Player B has no way off knowing that unless he's been told by someone. It could be player A and C are trying to abuse the system and player B doesn't know about it. Could be player B does know. Could be player B did it on purpose to get player A and C in trouble.
Now you send a warning, discussion starts, gets on open chat. Players who have nothing to do with it think here we go again. If it might happen again we get the I was reset for no reason discussion, and so on .... If you wonder what is the chance off this happening, look at what we have seen before, open chat fights all the time. Even on stable 1 you can't escape it because an exmod who still had his powers threw a fit there. All this because the rules on the game aren't clear.
You want a game bassed on rules that demand players asking questions, but when they disagree with you I can't asked questions because you think I know everything? And you want me to trusth you when you say you don't treath players different?
Now you say I am not open to what you write. I read it, I read it again and when I start my post I take it part by part to try and respond to it all.

In Belgium they say, for every time you catch you're kid doing something wrong and say "see that I find out everything" the kid laughs inside for all the things you didn't find out. This aplies here too, guess all cheaters are now laughing their bums off.

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Rules were not easy to understand, people where told not to do stuff that was not in the rules like sending weapons. Their where questions dayly.

And I see you are still blaming me for pointing out the problems in the game which I did before quitly, couple off times, but was no respons too mostly because Thijs was buzy.
You had a good idea but you are not willing to work it out and say it all isn't true and call the people who try to say so are liars or just causing riots.

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