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Topic: penalty for crimes

In society we issue punishment that reflects the crime, murder can be life in prison or death, stealing can be set as a range from a bond to several years in prison and so on.

In this game blatant cheating has to be the highest crime, no ifs or buts it is the worst,  so the penalty would have to be the harshest and that is loosing everything you have built with no exception and I believe most would agree to that, so what is the next level, abuse on chat, not really as it is only words, so what would be next on the list and what punishment would be required.

Players devote a lot of time effort and money into this game and that must be a consideration when a punishment is delt out, and each punishment must be in line with the thought that cheating is the worst, each person may have a different idea of what cheating is but it has to come down to trying to manipulate the game by stealth, underhanded actions such as having more than 1 village under assumed names, that gets the full punishment.

From that point all punishment should be decreasing as the crime gets less, so the people that decide penalties have to be 100% clean and are not in any way involved in the complaint or problem and should not in any way be involved in any decision to inflict punishment.

With all of this in mind can someone please tell me why wolfie was kicked out and lost everything, and I hope all members would like to know if any person involved in wolfie being kicked, was involved in any problem or complaint which resulted in wolfie getting the harshest of punishments.

  • Registered: 2009-11-22
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Re: penalty for crimes

[This topic re wolfie was closed by the moderators... seems they explained their actions in detail to those involved. The development team wont comment.

Dont be supprised if this posting is also closed and or you dont get an acceptable resopnse from anyone.

Dont rock the boat conan otherwise you may find your game play hindered in ways youve yet to imagin.

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Re: penalty for crimes

Poppy wrote:

[This topic re wolfie was closed by the moderators... seems they explained their actions in detail to those involved. The development team wont comment.

Dont be supprised if this posting is also closed and or you dont get an acceptable resopnse from anyone.

Dont rock the boat conan otherwise you may find your game play hindered in ways youve yet to imagin.

If that is what happens to people that question policies and actions then why would anyone be involved in a game that you are affraid of what you write.
I will continue to ask questions and if the people that run this don't like it and can do whatever they like to players then why would anyone want to play this game, it is only a game and the powers that be cannot conduct themselves in a manner that players become scared in speaking out and asking questions.

4 Reply by Archeus (edited by Archeus 2010-03-19 13:13:00)

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Re: penalty for crimes

We all know that stable and speed servers have always been two separate servers. Personally, I think it's fair that Wolfie got punished of what she had done on speed, but for punishing her on stable too would be a little too much, as we all know it is a separate server.

It is a game and it is important that we all follow the rules and such, but after all we are all human. We make mistakes sometimes and don't we get forgiveness?

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Just an observation from a fairly new player.

I personally was surprised, when Veronica and Wolfie were reset, and from what I read here, Wolfie has also been removed from another server.  Too harsh - they could maybe have been reduced in size, or frozen for a month or two, but a full reset seems very harsh. 

I come across groups villages that clearly are played by one person - to me that is a greater violation, but I was not on the receiving end of the tornadoes, while on vacation so who am I to know what is right.

Perhaps it would be best if we could have a panel of moderators and admins who are not emotionally involved in wins and losses, and let those emotions stay with the players.  I know first hand that Veronica acted out like her own game judge and executioner,  and even though I did not like it, it is part of the game, but can you imagine if she was a moderator?

Anyway, I think I am getting off on a sidetrack here - sorry.

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  • Registered: 2010-02-12
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Re: penalty for crimes

I too was surprised to hear the punishment for the crime.  While there was absolutely nothing I liked about their Clan, learning that they were completely reset, not only on the server in question, but also on the stable server was a shock.

Unless I am misunderstanding the offense, they were guilty of utilizing a glitch in the spell system to attack someone who was misappropriately utilizing the Vacation feature.  The victim in this case, was not an innocent person off on a cruise with their family.  As lolly stated, a more appropriate penalty for both Wolfie and Veronica seems like it would have been better for all parties concerned.  A one month freeze (make it outside of vacation so they can be attacked even) would have seemed more appropriate.  I am sure the damage done to the victim could be reversed by looking at the game logs.

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Re: penalty for crimes

Each server is independent.  Sins committed on one server have nothing to do with the other server.  I'm not aware of ANYONE who has been treated in the way described here.

Wolfie was not reset on stable.
Veronica had been reset on stable for a completely different issue (about a month or two ago).

7 x 13 = 28

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Re: penalty for crimes

Hellikin wrote:

Each server is independent.  Sins committed on one server have nothing to do with the other server.  I'm not aware of ANYONE who has been treated in the way described here.

Wolfie was not reset on stable.
Veronica had been reset on stable for a completely different issue (about a month or two ago).

I was reset on stable and got a 15 day ban from chat and pm
1 year ban from chat and pm on speed.

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Re: penalty for crimes

Wolfieke wrote:
Hellikin wrote:

Each server is independent.  Sins committed on one server have nothing to do with the other server.  I'm not aware of ANYONE who has been treated in the way described here.

Wolfie was not reset on stable.
Veronica had been reset on stable for a completely different issue (about a month or two ago).

I was reset on stable and got a 15 day ban from chat and pm
1 year ban from chat and pm on speed.

How is it possible for Wolfie to be banned on Stable, this has conotations of someone using their power for revenge, Server has nothing to do with speed, end of story!! Wolfie must be returned to her former status on stable.

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Re: penalty for crimes

We are looking into it.  Everyone, please hold all comments until I've gotten an explanation from those who carried out the resets. 

I do not want this thread locked.  Let us figure out what happened.  Then, we can resume discussion.

7 x 13 = 28

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Re: penalty for crimes

[This topic was locked before... so does this mean the results of the mods voting to reset the players will be posted (no names just numbers)??

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Re: penalty for crimes

I see a post of mine was deleted from early.  I shall go ahead and speak again...

For those who still do not know, Veronica was reset and banned from the speed server because she was told once by Wolfie that she (Wolfie) had used the tornado spell on a village in vacation mode.  Veronica never cast that spell on any village in vacation mode.  As for stable, she was reset again (a few days ago), so you are wrong Hellikin.  Funny how the mods are not all on the same page.

For Lolly:  Veronica has no desire to be a mod, just to thump you with her troops again.  Stick with the topic.

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Told once? She sent the gems to do it 5-6 times.

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  • Registered: 2009-11-17
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Re: penalty for crimes

Veronica sent gems to open portals.  Everyone in clan Impirian knows Wolfie has the best luck when it comes to opening portals, period.  Ever consider that perhaps Veronica owed Wolfie gems?  Wolfie did send Veronica a ton of gems.

And even if Wolfie did use those to use the spell, how would Veronica know that?  We have always shared our res with each other, including gems.

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Stop it...I had a chat with Veronica in main chat. She absolutely knew, she said she could not control her clan members, and stated "what did it matter, he quit anyway"

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That is not the entire chat, Ishtar.  She stated that when Wolfie did tell her, she asked Wolfie to lay off the spell.  She considered the matter closed because she did tell Wolfie that, and it slipped her mind because as I've said before, she considered the matter closed. 

Yes, she cannot control how her clan mates spend their gems, who possibly can?  Should we also try to dictate how much wood and stone and food is also used, and how it's used?

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Sorry, that's a lie.

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Re: penalty for crimes

We have the chat log saved.

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i dont care what logs you have said. i dont care what veronica have told you, though i know this is veronica posting. i dont care what *you* think of the matter. i have wolfie's actions, and i have veronica's actions mixed with her ignorant set of replies, which does not fit at all with her innocence claims. so spare us.
this is targetted for the general public.
for veronica, moderators reserve the right to ban/reset any player as they see fit.

just that guy... remember him? didn't expect you to...
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It's all clear that personal things matter....
Might as well reset me as well then, i've said some things that weren't apropriet as well  in public chat, not to mention the pictures of adolf hitler hello/whamra put up in chat.
Since when does chat counts as prove or a reason for anyone to get reset?
things get out of proportion very fast, there seems to be some misunderstanding here as well about V asking her clan member to lay off the spells and wolfie casting anyways.
I'm not sure what that shows, i do know that resetting anyone is a severe punishment that seems way to harsh in this case.

Your village is 38100% bigger than the defending village. You will probably lose 90 honour by attacking this village. If someone of your clan attacked this village earlier, every clan member will lose honour.
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Re: penalty for crimes

you might as well know what is being discussed here, before you interfere into stuff that, 1) ain't your business. 2) not accurate.
i do NOT care about what was being said in chat, i have archives of replies from veronica to moderators investigating her actions, to which she ignored the subject, and answered ignorantly and disrespectfully.
and as i said, its her *actions* not her tons of crap talking that landed her where she is now...

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Okay... sorry to buzz in on something concerning only you (pub forum here?)
Anyways, if it were only her actions i can only assume she's casted tornado's or abused a bug as well since sending gems is no crime? (<---- note the ? )

Your village is 38100% bigger than the defending village. You will probably lose 90 honour by attacking this village. If someone of your clan attacked this village earlier, every clan member will lose honour.
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Re: penalty for crimes

Veronica did not cast tornado on a vacation-mode village.

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Re: penalty for crimes

Ishtar wrote:

Sorry, that's a lie.

no it's not Veronica asked me to stop

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When exactly? March 12? If this was true, she would have said something at the time. She did not.  Nor did she report it.

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