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this is some way, but you are aware that this way you could basically just remove the runes and use resources in their place. if this solution was taken then at least there should be something else that would differ the runes from other resources. maybe neutral, computer controlled villages that can be attacked? like dragon lairs, bandit camps etc.

From how I see it rune stealing is what makes it a war game.  Building is constructed to need runes, runes are set in short supply.  It is the mechanic that forces conflict in the game, rather than just have one that encourages it.  For example in the time there was no rune stealing on speed, there was little conflict after the realization runes could not be drawn.

Without rune stealing much of the risk v reward also goes away.  Lets say I just searched for runes... most of my resources are gone.  This just means I should go balls to the wall attacking everything, as I know I can't really lose anything.

I do however completely agree about support.  War games need risk v reward, and support has nullified much of the risk

i like your idea

right now we can just remove half of the resources. wood and stone? storehouse always full on those. gold? always full after all technology research is finished. iron? at least you can sink it in equipment. too bad single equipment piece may be couple of times more expensive than the unit wearing it, making equipment more like 'meh, theres nothing to do with this iron anyway' features

Last edited by cleesan (2010-02-22 00:09:26)

Not really...
I have a huge demand for food after every attack, my buildings keep costing more so i'm in constant need of wood and stone.
Don't talk about the iron cause i'm struggling to give my units a simple dagger.
Ofcourse i could focus on a resource based village, and perhaps that's wiser to do.
But my village is build for predator like actions....

Currently things like gold, wood and stone are situational for most people.  Gold on stable is mostly full for me... however in the last war my clan was on the verge of defeat because we ran out of gold, and could not send supplies or train certain troops.  Trust me, in that situation it is a very valuable resource that a village just cannot produce enough of.

Then when upgrading my castle for outposts, and the outposts themselves I was once again clamoring for these 'useless' resources.  It all depends on what your village is doing at the moment.  Farming mode?  Food and Iron are probably going to be your main focus.  War with another clan?  Gold becomes very valuable.  And so on.

@cleesan: if you you aren't happy with your full warehouses, you can always give me some of your resources my warehouses are almost empty, so i could definitely use some

I think the biggest issue lakers is that Runes, and the methods for gathering them has been a central role to the game since the legacy server.  Your essentially just trying to shift the valuable commodities from runes to resources to solve what many agree on as the reason many people quit.  That reason is that they are 'farmed' to the point were growth becomes near or below 0.  True, eliminating rune stealing will prevent them from dropping past 0, ie their growth is always >=0, a village can still be easily kept at a 0 growth.

There really are two solutions to the problem.  The general form of the equation is

net_growth = gross_growth - attack_loss.

if we want to keep a positive net growth, gross_growth must be greater than attack_loss. 

gross_growth > attack_loss

With that in mind the two ways to accomplish a total net growth is to increase gross_growth, or decrease attack_loss.  Your idea serves to push attack_loss to 0, by removing rune stealing.  However, I can guarantee you that will be met with much criticism as it is a core part of the game that many people like.  Essentially, your idea could be re-worked as disable building destruction but allow negative runes in the village.  So a loss would 'take' runes without destroying buildings.

I have always been more in favor of simply increasing gross_growth.  It would not need to change any core mechanics or add new rules.  Either a period after losing, or a total 'clumping' mechanism would be nearly transparent to the players while still alleviating or stopping a near 0 net_growth.

i know what you are saying i have read this thread all i am saying i guess is that if you change this one thing you change the very essence of the game and i don't believe i would like it very much anymore...

One, Two... many

there's a clear fine line in this game and in any game, between *winning*, and *losing*. people play a game, they can win, or lose, eventually.
what you are aiming at, and what most of the suggestions done in "feedback" in the last months, are stuff to prevent "losing". but this just isn't right. people can lose, and they'll have to accept it, no game is fun if everyone's a winner.

i don't like that idea... that way you can't help clan members anymore after they have been attacked, if they can't give anything in return, they can't be helped... what's the point of being in a clan if you can't help each other?

whamra, have you ever played other browser based games? travian, ogame, ikariam maybe?
these are quite succesful games and in none of them players are defeated by one random attack.

it is possible to destroy other player, but it needs coordination, resources and time. here you just send couple of attacks and village is reduced by 25%. in case of large villages it may equal to weeks or months of work.

by saying "that's just like losing nothing...." you admit that resources have no meaning in dolumar. that makes resource buildings worthless too. what lakers tries to propose is making it harder to destroy players' buildings and increase value of resources. theres no balance between military and economy. economy is a waste of runes. you can get all the reources and runes you need from attacks. if you dont have enough military you will be ravaged by players who have. if you dont agree with and want to say that economy is important too then you will admit that losing resources only is not like losing nothing.

i can guarantee that even if destroying buildings in its current state was removed then stealing resources alone would still hurt. because:
- by attacking player and winning you destroy his military and steal resources.
- later he doesnt have troops to defend or resources to rebuild them
- he can evade attacks to save troops and farm others himself to get resources or maybe runes
   * if he gains runes then you can steal them before he turns them into buildings
   * if he gets only resources then you can steal those.

this way attacked player can continue to grow with very limited speed. surely from your attacks he may lose much or not so much if he plays smart.

add to it some harder mechanic to destroy buildings and you can even destroy this player if you want and can afford to.