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In my defense, and maybe it is not relevant, but the barracks are of substantially larger level than the resource buildings, and focused to the center of the village.  Maybe the downside to this is that It gives the illusion of a weaker military and invites more attacks.  Actual runes spent are roughly 55-60% military.  This is obviously not enough though, so all recent runes spent have been military, and will continue to be so.

excuse me for the language in this text, but it helps a lot to express what i'm thinking about this right now...
first of all, maybe we should go back to the actual topic, the problem with the game or with the players, instead of talking about how big some player's army is or what would happen if he is under attack and how he should spread his rune usage...
my opinion is that both can change things in the game. it's bullshit to say that a change in the game itself can do something about this, neither can the players. both have to do their part in this situation.
according to me, the problem can be separated in different sub-problems:
- it's not that some clans have a lot of members or that some clans have extremely strong members, the problem is that those big guys at the top make alliances with each-other... if you look at it, impirian and the honour guard, the 2 strongest clans on speed, are allied, so nobody can beat them untill a freakin miracle happens and some players can break them, which is not going to happen on it's own. the only way this will end is when the alliance breaks up, and they massively kill each other in the biggest clan war of the server's history.
- there are indeed to few targets to attack, and the honour drop from attacking smaller players is no longer a barrier that stops people from doing it. the honour recovers too fast, it should be slowed down and there should be more effects when the honour drops (for example that the effect of defence towers, magicians and thieves also reduces).
- at last, there are of course those scared pussies who have to cry when they are under attack... IT IS A FUCKING WAR GAME, SO STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING ATTACKED! i used to be under attack myself, daily, and i think that is what made me stronger, harder. don't complain about it, just keep on playing the game, and if it's to hard to handle, ask for a temporary nap or something, it gave my clan the chance to grow bigger for a couple of days. if you can't handle attacks, you shouldn't be playing this game. there even are people who are playing this game, a war game, not to fight others, but just because it's fun building a village online... what's happened to this game?
my clan now has a very strict policy: no naps and no alliances, because they all end up in betrayal... and i think that's going to happen in the future between imp and thg, unless they break up themselves.
i don't really have a solution for this, and i don't want to tell people what to do and what not to do, but if you ask me, the inactive players should be removed from play earlier, and there should be a limit on vacay mode (but the mods are already working on that). further, i think there should also be strict rules about the number of alliances and naps, especially between the strongest clans in the game. i don't say that alliances and naps should be banned from the game, but it should be controlled.
i have a lot of experience in this game, believe me, and i am getting quite bored because i can't grow very much... as soon as my net worth starts growing, i get attacked by the stronger clans so it drops again. i recentely restarted, and i hope it will be different with my new technique.
and finally: i think the idea to make a goal in this game would be a good idea, but take your time to do other things first.
i didn't mean to offend anyone with this post, but it's just the truth. if you don't like the attacks, you should not play the game. it's the same in a lot of other games.

i know that, and yes, i also play on stable.
i don't say clans can't make naps or alliances, the problem is just that the 2 biggest clans on speed are allies, there is nobody who can stop them and they are growing way faster than the rest on the server...
it will be hard to fix this, but it might be a start to prohibit the strongest clans to be in alliance or something
it's just a suggestion, but hey, who am i?

if it is like you say, there is no solution to this problem, unless if there is a goal to reach in the game, but that way it gets a bit boring if you completed the game 2 times...

"f it is like you say, there is no solution to this problem, unless if there is a goal to reach in the game, but that way it gets a bit boring if you completed the game 2 times..." - Fatal_Error-shutdown

I believe there is a solution. If I were under more frequent attacks by combined groups of smaller players, I would not be able to send out raids as frequently or effectively. Allow smaller players to combine attack forces against the larger villages and the large players will be pinned down. As it is now, once you reach a critical village value and army strength the large player has very little to fear if she stays active and coordinates effectively with others. This fundamental dynamic is the key to changing the entire balance of power. Shift the power to the smaller villages if they combine and coordinate effectively.

No, it would force large actives to also coordinate support from their established player networks to survive through their own coordinated efforts. Support troops Kelevra.....And some reasonable balance on the combined size and frequency of these small coordinated attacks can be achieved through play testing on BETA or Speed.

Last edited by Tyranicus (2010-02-18 18:00:07)

It has been brought to my attention that clan retaliation is off for speed.  In light of that this would seem a really good system for a low risk, high yield investment.  I don't think war games should be about being able to target people with little to no fear of retaliation.  All this implementation would do is switch who has the advantage, not balance things.

I agree.  I played another like game awhile ago.  I went to sleep one night, and had lost literally everything in one night.  Not sure what the point of playing was after that.

I think the major event that changed how things are working is the player base went from thinking the game was one of long term strategy and went to a short term conquest strategy.  Both very viable in this game, but once everyone is conquered the game gets a little boring.  Honestly unless something happens, the game will be required to live in a short term conquest strategy, and ultimately I think some of the long term fans will leave.  Maybe that will bring in more players and overall the game will grow... I dunno.

Ty, you have 61 posts.  5 of which are attempts to thread-jack other threads, about quasi related things to promote your idea.  Many more of them are just discussing it, in other discussions.  I am sorry if you find my description inaccurate, but when you constantly jump in unrelated conversations and tell people its the only way, that is what I would call it.  Now, you have your chance to discuss it in a thread dedicated to it, but you don't want to.  Instead of interrupting other discussion don't you think it may be a bit more productive to actually discuss it in a thread about it, with people who wish to discuss it?

And please don't accuse others of not responding to ideas your bring up, so that you do not have to respond to the ideas they bring up in their own thread.  You have posted 11 times in this thread, only once did you actually respond to the question posed in the original post, and that was just an elaborate "I disagree" without actually addressing the validity of it.  2 of those times, you were injecting your "coordinated" attacks idea into the conversation, and most of the rest is just you talking about your coordinated idea.  If you wish others to respond to your idea, the best way to get that is in the thread designated for it. 

Meanwhile, you have on two occasions asked other players to think of ideas to resolve this.  When feedback to your question was given, you ignored it and just repeated your idea to solve it.

you know, before this topic was made, i didn't really think there was a problem in this game like the one we are talking about right now, only the problem of the lack of targets.
i think reading all these comments (about 100) in less then 2 hours kind of brainwashed me...
but still there is the problem as cleesan describes it, new players have difficulties to grow and to play, so they quit. and i know there are other games where this problem doesn't occur, but i still don't know how this can be fixed. according to me, the only thing that would help is a big change to the honour system or something, so the consequences are VERY MUCH bigger when you attack small members. but that's just my opinion
and one more thing: i also agree with cleesan about doom, this is a open forum, subject is speed server and we are trying to discuss wich solution is best for the problem. if tyrannicus has an opinion, he can tell us here, and he has the full right to do that. i am starting to doubt if you are the right guy to be a mod, doom... but as i said before, who am i?

it may not be enough. even same rating players or only slightly bigger can ravage you. if you didnt go full military or dont have allies to protect you, you will most likely lose, especially with current combat system where your troops may run at 85% health while enemy stays at 30% and wins. and every loss means lost resources, runes and destroyed buildings. there is no "economical" solution. you lose fight = you are destroyed.

now, i know it because i played this game for some time. but what does a new player know? he builds some farms, some mines, maybe couple of barracks. and then player who went 100% military attacks him. first guy has no chances of winning and has his buildings destroyed.

there must be some way to at least stop villages from being destroyed after lost battle. or make it harder to destroy buildings. or add some limits to it, there are plenty of ways:
- siege machines needed to destroy buildings
- buildings may have reduced levels. level reduction determined by number of attacker's troops left after battle. 
- option to reinforce buildings protecting them from destruction
- option to repair destroyed / damaged buildings at much lower costs / shorter time.
- 2 types of attack - raid and full attack. during raid buildings are not destroyed, during full attack they are but runes are not stolen and it takes more time.

to sum up - there will always be fights and new / small players will always lose some of them. it surely slows down their growth. but at least give them a way to not go backwards in the progress making them quit