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2012-02-14 09:09:18

The problem with OP's is not the ease with which you can send runes down to them. A properly built OP can get its own runes through raiding AND rune searches with constant resource injections from the main village, clan mates etc. In fact one frustrating thing about OP's is that runes can stack up in them much faster than they can be consumed. OP's can then be used as a clan rune factory once a rune ladder is set up for distribution. In short, OP's further aggravate the endemic structural problems of concentrating POWER in the hands of a few dominant players/clans.

2012-02-07 05:25:03

Here are some facts:

Veronica's Hunting Park, outpost of Tyrania
Point Value = 12170
Build Value = 10170
339 runes spent on build, 339*30 = 10170

lower limit of village value VHP can attack without honor loss = 10170/1.25 = 8136

Tyrania
Point Value=15510
15510/1.25=12408 is the lower limit value of a village Tyrania can attack without honor loss.

Tyrania has now consumed 655 runes
If all those runes had been spent on Tyrania as a war village it would have a point value of
19850

(655*30)+200=19850

19850/1.25=15880 would be the lower limit value village Tyrania could attack without honor loss.

But Tyrania has spent runes to build two Outposts
108 runes to build VHP. 108 * 30 = 3240 points
and another 130 runes to build VWC, another 3900 points

Tyrania has a an actual build value of 12710 or 417 runes spent on Farms, Barracks. Iron mines etc...
Now WHAT would you suggest doing with those points that contribute nothing to the village in war capability but do add significantly to the point value.

If ALL 7140 points were added to Tyrania's value it would have the build value of 12710, could be attacked by any village without honor loss under 25k and would be unable to attack any target under 16k without honor loss.

Instead the devs have decided to split the points used to build the op between the main village and the OP. 1240 points are added to the main for the first OP and 2000 are added to the OP but are not calculated against the OP for honor loss.

2012-01-25 23:35:55

Milan has expressed to Veronica and I that because we play Dolumar together as team mates that we have an unfair advantage no different than a player that creates multiple accounts.

I think he is wrong for the following reasons:

Dolumar is a Wargame.
Clans are organized based on groups of individual players working together as a team to conduct warfare.
The clans that work together as a team, coordinate, communicate and cooperate.... think, plan and fight together effectively as a team will be the most dominant clans.
Any group of individual players that follow these principles of teamwork will be effective in game.

The fundamental difference between Veronica and I and a multi is that we are TWO very different people that work together as a team.

Any TWO players that work together effectively will have the same advantages.

2011-11-03 00:39:16

Vilmore wrote:

We always wanted players combining to attack and steal runes. "Ganking" if you know this expression. \n\nBut, not trough combining troops. Instead by combining: \n1) Attacks, (so a few players inflict some damage, the last attack is a real one that steals the runes..

There are a couple of problems here:

1. A set of cultural "rules" evolved, along with a shadow organization to enforce the "rules" to prohibit this. Remnants of those cultural rules and the shadow organization that enforced them still have an impact on this community, its attitudes, and game play.

2. The battle mechanics strongly favor the defender against a smaller attack force. Multiple attacks by a coordinated team of small attackers will lose a much greater proportion of resources/troops against a large defender when attempting to hit her for runes.

2011-11-02 22:14:58

One of the reasons players quit is because they get farmed by larger players and feel they have no meaningful way to retaliate. They can't fight back and expect to make any meaningful impact on the larger aggressive player. Providing a game mechanism for smaller villages to combine attacks into a single threat attack against a larger village shifts the balance of power to smaller villages that can coordinate effectively. This is a vital balance mechanism in a game based fundamentally on predation.
Larger players should not be able to sit back and feel safe. Smaller players should feel they have in game opportunities to fight the big guys. Hellikin's proposal seems to be a workable fix to a fundamental structural problem with the game.

2011-10-31 22:22:27

For me, cracked earth has failed every attempt so far this server.

Date: 28.10.2011 20:17
An attacking Wizard failed to cast a Cracked Earth 5 (88% success probability).

Date: 06.10.2011 17:54
An attacking Wizard failed to cast a Cracked Earth 5 (84% success probability).

Date: 13.09.2011 17:40
An attacking Wizard failed to cast a Cracked Earth 4 (90% success probability).

2011-10-29 00:18:18

And while yer at it make spammer villages auto build to 5k value with no troops.

2011-10-28 01:01:46

What if the size of controlled territory translated into the size of a clan rune bank. Any member could contribute to the bank, only the clan leader could redistribute those runes. I see at least a few obvious problems with this idea. But thought I would throw it our there to be flamed anyway.

2011-10-27 10:07:59

Chaos wrote:

You want to attack somebody to have some action (it's a war game after all), but the only targets within your range are from stronger clans, and you are pretty sure they will take revenge on you and your clan if you pull any runes.

Request a duel? Give the clan leaders a heads up on what's going on and go to it. sounds fun!
1 on 1
2 on 2
anyone?

2011-10-27 09:39:54

Here is why I think the rune cap idea solves the problem more effectively if there are some basic good sportsmanship principles applied in how players behave towards each other.

The problem I have with various hard rules regarding tactical operations in battles between two clans at war is that it limits completely reasonable tactical tools the two clans can employ in battle.

Tactics - how a clan fights a complicated battle involving multiple villages, the decisions on who to send main attacks against, who to support, who to fake, who to pin down while a main attacker returns home, what spells to use, how to employ thieves etc is fun and has enormous effect on the success of any combat operation. Agreeing to a fixed set of rules limits tactical options available for employment.

For example a hard rule that prevents Tyranicus from attacking Wolfie because Veronica hit Wolfie yesterday for runes, eliminates Wolfie from having any fakes on her village being credible and frees her for tactical action in retaliating against threats or supporting other clan members. And no one that has had to fight her wants a free Wolfie running loose causing havoc, panic and mayhem in a pitched battle if they can help it

While it would be pushing the boundaries of good sportsmanship pretty far to hit Wolfie twice for runes in two days, completely eliminating her from the threat of attack in a pitched clan fur ball battle is not a good idea.

Now the idea that too many pitched battles in a week contributes to burn out is another problem.
And some reasonable tactics that could be employed under limited circumstances might be totally unreasonable if used again and again and again over a period of time. My point is that hard and fast rules may needlessly micromanage in game player behavior. Employing more general principles might be just as effective in promoting a game that is more fun, more fair and more crowded.

examples of bad sportsmanship:
-Attacking the same player and taking runes so often that it becomes impossible for them to recover within a few weeks. No one wants to watch 2 months of work get burned to the ground in a few days.
-Harassing attacks and spell/thief effects that keep a player in constant crisis mode for days.
-Calling people nasty names in chat or pm's
-Using foul language
-Attempting to intimidate or embarrass them publicly
-Announcing in public chat that a player's troops are not home after they made a successful and legitimate attack on your village.

(yes I am guilty of being a bad bad sport too from time to time)

Bottom line:
Is there a problem with using the golden rule? If someone or some group did to you what you plan to do to them would you want to quit playing the game?

If you would consider quitting if someone pulled off this plan against you, DON'T DO IT!

2011-10-27 06:51:28

I think this is a great idea and should be looked at again. It would allow smaller villages to combine forces to threaten those larger villages that keep coming at them, provide the defender an opportunity to retaliate and make the game more balanced in favor smaller bands of active and coordinated teams.

2011-10-27 06:21:23

An in game strategic level map would be a great addition, with choke point battlefield points distributed across the map in various locations where an incoming army could be intercepted would be cool too. Keep 'em coming Storm.

2011-10-26 22:53:22

This is my take on the issues involved.

We are looking at ways to make the game more fair and more fun for more people using in game behavior rules that players will agree to.

In this thread, we are focusing on player behavior rather than game mechanics.

Frodo's clan has more players and more villages per player and a robust economic base.
Violent Resolution has active, aggressive players that like to fight and want to fight. The clan has chosen to remain smaller and tries to make up for this using activity and coordination as a means of staying competitive.

To fight Frodo's clan and inhibit its growth, the strategy and tactics that I envision can and will contribute to burn out and loss of player base. We would use activity and coordination to wear down the threat membership. Clearly applying this strategy is not going to work in the long term. Applying this strategy would eventually lead to our own members burning out or getting damaged beyond the ability to fight back effectively as power continues to concentrate in the hands of fewer and fewer players.

So this leaves us in need of a set of rules that we all can play by and continue enjoying the game.

2011-10-24 15:41:09

Jerry and Wolf Pack are currently discussing ideas for a set of Rules of Engagement for war between the two clans.

Frodo
I wouldnt mind hearing what you think